has anyone trained with pearly whites using their non peroxide gel?
if so are you getting the results expected from clients, e.g white teeth?
Asked by Lindsey123
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janebishopI was trained in non peroxide gels and was totally dissatisfied with the results I was getting. The best results I had was 2 shades ligher which I felt extremly let down with especially when my clents are expecting to see a visible difference!
I have now been trained to use Hydrogen Peroxide based gels which are giving me the results I expect and I have very happy clients at the end.
I have now been trained to use Hydrogen Peroxide based gels which are giving me the results I expect and I have very happy clients at the end.
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JayeFrancis
How did you train in Hydrogen Peroxide ?
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Gstarx
Hi I have trained with pearly whites and have not been happy with the results, I cannot seem to get through to the company to discuss things further. Does anyone know the number for Trading standards?
nicesmile
Keep away
Samu3l
I trained with pearly whites last may, training was extremely rushed and have had pretty poor results to be honest. I have had several clients not happy with results and I could not charge them, others have paid but not come back. I can only say I am extremely disappointed with the service/products after parting with almost £2000
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MaryMag123
Why not try a different product? You know what to do and have the LED light.
MaryMag123
Why not try a different product? You know what to do and have the LED light.
anon0101
Hi I happened to stumble on this thread by accident. I have read the comments that people have posted. I have been involved in the teeth whitening industry for nearly 10 years. I have used all types of gels and tried every available technique. I’m also fully aware of the legislation and Im aware of nearly every available teeth whitening product on the market. Im keeping anonymous because I dont want to accused of advertising on this site.
The current legislation states that only a dentist can supply a whitening product that contains or emits from 0.1% up to a maximum of 6% hydrogen peroxide. Only trading standards can enforce this law and if you are using above these limits then so they should. The separate issue is who can and cannot do teeth whitening. This is enforced by the General Dental Council (GDC) they believe that only a dentist should be doing teeth whitening and will try and prosecute anyone doing the treatment who is not a registered dentist. They can only bring about a prosecution if they have a witness to testify that some kind of damage or harm was caused by the person providing the treatment or if you are providing procedures that a dentist would normally do ie being invasive in the mouth.
High Concentration Peroxide based whitening gels can only be safely applied by
firstly applying a gum dam to protect the gums
secondly the peroxide gel must be directly applied onto each tooth by hand
thirdly the gel should be removed by suctioning it off the teeth using a dental suction system to avoid the gel falling into the mouth where it could cause damage.
You can see that by doing the above you are administering procedures that normally a dentist would do hence why you can again be prosecuted by the GDC for carrying out acts of dentistry.
If you use high concentration peroxide and are not careful there is no doubt that there can be damage to the soft tissue in the mouth and this can lead down the road to be prosecuted by Trading Standards and the GDC.
There have been non peroxide teeth whitening products on the market for a while the earliest types had limited success at providing good results.
We now have newer gels that are offering better results; the two most common types of gel now available are Sodium Perborate based gels and even newer ones containing sodium bicarbonate. I would stress though that its not just about the chemicals in the gel its also about who is supplying the gel to you. There are few legitimate manufacturers of non peroxide whitening gel and a lot of the gels that are on sale are actually rip off copies of original manufacturer formulas. If you purchase from a supplier who can trace their gels back to the point of origin then the gel should contain or emit less than 0.1% hydrogen peroxide and your supplier should be able to supply you with a test report for the gel that you use that specifies that it complies with the Cosmetic Safety Regulations.
Also ask your supplier to put you in touch with previous customers that they have supplied to and get feedback from them. If you are dealing with a reputable supplier the training that they provide should be recognised by insurance companies as long as you are using legal products in order to insure you against any treatment risk. Some insurers will ask that the practitioner have a minimum qualification normally NVQ in beauty therapy.
These non peroxide based gels do not need to be administered the way peroxide gels do as mentioned above. The reason is, because they do not contain high concentrations of peroxide they will not cause adverse effects to the teeth or gums. When it comes to administering a procedure it requires the gel to be applied into a device that holds the gel in place against the teeth which the client puts into their own mouth thus providing a treatment process that requires no physical contact between the provider and the client making the procedure self administered and thus not infringing on the peroxide legislation and also the GDC’S opinions. On top of all that there are other steps in the techniques used in the procedure which must be taken that will ensure you get better results.
The current legislation states that only a dentist can supply a whitening product that contains or emits from 0.1% up to a maximum of 6% hydrogen peroxide. Only trading standards can enforce this law and if you are using above these limits then so they should. The separate issue is who can and cannot do teeth whitening. This is enforced by the General Dental Council (GDC) they believe that only a dentist should be doing teeth whitening and will try and prosecute anyone doing the treatment who is not a registered dentist. They can only bring about a prosecution if they have a witness to testify that some kind of damage or harm was caused by the person providing the treatment or if you are providing procedures that a dentist would normally do ie being invasive in the mouth.
High Concentration Peroxide based whitening gels can only be safely applied by
firstly applying a gum dam to protect the gums
secondly the peroxide gel must be directly applied onto each tooth by hand
thirdly the gel should be removed by suctioning it off the teeth using a dental suction system to avoid the gel falling into the mouth where it could cause damage.
You can see that by doing the above you are administering procedures that normally a dentist would do hence why you can again be prosecuted by the GDC for carrying out acts of dentistry.
If you use high concentration peroxide and are not careful there is no doubt that there can be damage to the soft tissue in the mouth and this can lead down the road to be prosecuted by Trading Standards and the GDC.
There have been non peroxide teeth whitening products on the market for a while the earliest types had limited success at providing good results.
We now have newer gels that are offering better results; the two most common types of gel now available are Sodium Perborate based gels and even newer ones containing sodium bicarbonate. I would stress though that its not just about the chemicals in the gel its also about who is supplying the gel to you. There are few legitimate manufacturers of non peroxide whitening gel and a lot of the gels that are on sale are actually rip off copies of original manufacturer formulas. If you purchase from a supplier who can trace their gels back to the point of origin then the gel should contain or emit less than 0.1% hydrogen peroxide and your supplier should be able to supply you with a test report for the gel that you use that specifies that it complies with the Cosmetic Safety Regulations.
Also ask your supplier to put you in touch with previous customers that they have supplied to and get feedback from them. If you are dealing with a reputable supplier the training that they provide should be recognised by insurance companies as long as you are using legal products in order to insure you against any treatment risk. Some insurers will ask that the practitioner have a minimum qualification normally NVQ in beauty therapy.
These non peroxide based gels do not need to be administered the way peroxide gels do as mentioned above. The reason is, because they do not contain high concentrations of peroxide they will not cause adverse effects to the teeth or gums. When it comes to administering a procedure it requires the gel to be applied into a device that holds the gel in place against the teeth which the client puts into their own mouth thus providing a treatment process that requires no physical contact between the provider and the client making the procedure self administered and thus not infringing on the peroxide legislation and also the GDC’S opinions. On top of all that there are other steps in the techniques used in the procedure which must be taken that will ensure you get better results.
MaryMag123
Good advice.
Following the BBC series The Sheriff is Coming. I would avoid Diamond Teeth whitening, who have liquidated and set up with new ltd company names several times to avoid paying franchisees/creditors their money back.
Following the BBC series The Sheriff is Coming. I would avoid Diamond Teeth whitening, who have liquidated and set up with new ltd company names several times to avoid paying franchisees/creditors their money back.
jody123
i am getting great results using the p3 gel from pearlywhites. i havnt had one client complain, all have been really pleased. you'll get trained on how to use it corretly and it works, i am amazed at the results. so pleased i went to pearlywhites for my training
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mdouthwaite
i too was amazed at p3 results ..........amazed how bad a whitening product could be and so were the 17 people including my wife that tried the p3 to whiten their teeth !! toothpaste did same job ie not very good!!!!!
MaryMag123
Advice to others:
Carry out thorough due diligence by shopping around, trying products before you buy, going to trade fairs etc.
Ring Trading Standards to identify complaints in your area.
Thousands of people have received non-peroxide training, but there seems to be very few complaints on the net from salons owners or clients.
There are many complaints on the net regarding disappointing results with Zoom and other systems. Customers from what I have read do not get their money back (£500-£800) from the dentist as the consent form clearly advises no one can guarantee or predict the result.
The caveat emptor should always be buyer beware. Dry cleaners cannot guarantee to remove every stain, but are entitled to be paid for work undertaken.
Many people spend £1000's of pounds on beauty products that do not live up to the marketing hype, wrinkle creams spring to mind. Teeth whitening is no exception and, therefore it is imperative you do you homework to avoid disappointment.
Carry out thorough due diligence by shopping around, trying products before you buy, going to trade fairs etc.
Ring Trading Standards to identify complaints in your area.
Thousands of people have received non-peroxide training, but there seems to be very few complaints on the net from salons owners or clients.
There are many complaints on the net regarding disappointing results with Zoom and other systems. Customers from what I have read do not get their money back (£500-£800) from the dentist as the consent form clearly advises no one can guarantee or predict the result.
The caveat emptor should always be buyer beware. Dry cleaners cannot guarantee to remove every stain, but are entitled to be paid for work undertaken.
Many people spend £1000's of pounds on beauty products that do not live up to the marketing hype, wrinkle creams spring to mind. Teeth whitening is no exception and, therefore it is imperative you do you homework to avoid disappointment.
sammy389
tooth whitening is a nightmare now, they are also looking for reasons to recommend clients get blood tests for diseases like hepatitises because staff aren't immunised like dental are. plus gum damage and suing for implants for big £££ is very attractive, don't want to end up paying for someone elses hollywood smile because they say you shouldn't have done it, you did damage or they are worried about damage.
These companies selling us the equipment at high prices and leaving us deep in trouble should be sued instead now that new supplies can only be sold to dentists legally.
See new law link , also applies to hair and nails formulations too.
These companies selling us the equipment at high prices and leaving us deep in trouble should be sued instead now that new supplies can only be sold to dentists legally.
See new law link , also applies to hair and nails formulations too.
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MichelleZ5
I was just about to sign up for a Pearly Whites training course, should I not bother?!
MichelleZ5
I was just about to sign up for a Pearly Whites training course, should I not bother?!
jody123
hi michell, i did my training with pearlywhites and they were great. really helpful and the p3 does work for me. all my customers are very happy and they were very helpful and professional on the day. i love doing teeth whitening and am now making good money. i would definately go with them. they have offered me aftercare as well so if i do have problems theyt will advise me. i am unsure why some people think the p3 doesnt work? i definitely works......
mdouthwaite
wow jody 123 appears with positive comments straight after pearlywhites owner comments how strange yet expected !! and jody 123 i will travel to you so you can prove this along with jane from trading standards who also wishes to see the results, please contact me on mdouthwaite@btconnect.com with contact details, im sure this wont be a problem for you as you say it works so well , i will pay so you even profit from this and finally trading standards will have proof one way or another ?
mdouthwaite
just noticed jody123 spells just like the pearlywhites training manual again what an amazing coincedence !!
mdouthwaite
just noticed jody123 spells just like the pearlywhites training manual again what an amazing coincedence !!
mdouthwaite
just noticed jody123 spells just like the pearlywhites training manual again what an amazing coincedence !!
crystal-
hi yes i trained with pearly whites using the non peroxide gel results are not great training was rushed. Has anyone tried any other non peroxide gel other than one from pearly whites.
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sammy389
All Tooth Whitening is Dentistry, also confirmed by new EU law which became active 31st October. Lots of damaged gums around and possibly spread of diseases mouth to mouth claims too.
Don't risk it, don't sell illegal drugs or do other risky illegal behaviours either, would be my advice !!!
Don't risk it, don't sell illegal drugs or do other risky illegal behaviours either, would be my advice !!!
Jac100
Non peroxide products do work. Most clients take a before and after picture these days, so you can see the difference immediately. I also compared my own teeth by doing the top set first and I could see a difference in 20 minutes.
I have not used P3 products.
Take care with HP products. A group of dentist in Yorkshire were prosecuted and fined n August 2012 for using 6% HP. The law was still 0.1% for everyone including dentists at that time. It only takes one complaint from a member of the public and you can lose your business, your reputation and a lot of money. You even risk a prison sentence.
I have not used P3 products.
Take care with HP products. A group of dentist in Yorkshire were prosecuted and fined n August 2012 for using 6% HP. The law was still 0.1% for everyone including dentists at that time. It only takes one complaint from a member of the public and you can lose your business, your reputation and a lot of money. You even risk a prison sentence.
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sinky
hi could you give me some advice of non peroxide products that have had good results for you i have just trained with pearly whites and and results arnt that good ,
jody123
I've just trained with pearlywhites and am getting great results. have some really happy customers and am making good money. julie did tell me that there are techniques to getting the p3 to work which i am doing and getting really good results? maybe you should call them and they will be able to help you out? i found them very helpful
mdouthwaite
lol
mdouthwaite
lol see below
mdouthwaite
hmmm jody123 joined today after pearlywhites owners comments , jody123 can myself and the trading standards contact i am in touch with come and see you perform your great results please on myself? i will pay of course and travel anywhere ? are you really from pearlywhites?
mdouthwaite
hmmm jody123 joined today after pearlywhites owners comments , jody123 can myself and the trading standards contact i am in touch with come and see you perform your great results please on myself? i will pay of course and travel anywhere ? are you really from pearlywhites?
mdouthwaite
hmmm jody123 joined today after pearlywhites owners comments , jody123 can myself and the trading standards contact i am in touch with come and see you perform your great results please on myself? i will pay of course and travel anywhere ? are you really from pearlywhites?
mdouthwaite
hmmm jody123 joined today after pearlywhites owners comments , jody123 can myself and the trading standards contact i am in touch with come and see you perform your great results please on myself? i will pay of course and travel anywhere ? are you really from pearlywhites?
mdouthwaite
i trained with pearlywhites using their p3 non peroxide gel and have just had a refund on the whole training package as the results were hardly noticeable and no customers were satisfied or would pay and even when the owner came to my home to try and prove it worked she failed as firstly she using her supplied products could not get a "foam" needed to make the gel work and then tried to persuade my wife her teeth were 22 shades whiter when infact they only altered by two shades at a push which after the owner scrubbing her teeth 4 times you would expect without using any whitening product!!
vary dissapointing and very costly mistake !!!!!!!
vary dissapointing and very costly mistake !!!!!!!
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notjan
hi i trained with pearly whites am not getting the results how did u get a refund
notjan
hi i trained with pearly whites am not getting the
notjan
who have you trained with now
mdouthwaite
CONTACT TRADING STANDARDS AS THEY ARE STILL LOOKING INTO PEARLYWHITES , I DID THIS AND THEN GOT A FULL REFUND OF £1650 PLUS THE COURIER CHARGE OF RETURNING GOODS, IF YOU WANT MORE INFO EMAIL ME AT mdouthwaite @btconnect.com
good luck
good luck
pearlywhites
i gave you a fund martin not because of trading standards, i also gave you the courier charge back out of good will......
mdouthwaite
its not goodwill refunding money for a faulty product and have you given a refund to the other people who have complained to you yet not had any response ? goodwill would have been to refund me for my leaflet and van sign writing expenses that were wasted as the p3 produced terrible results ! ( have 17 testimonials to this as have trading standards)
mdouthwaite
its not goodwill refunding money for a faulty product and have you given a refund to the other people who have complained to you yet not had any response ? goodwill would have been to refund me for my leaflet and van sign writing expenses that were wasted as the p3 produced terrible results ! ( have 17 testimonials to this as have trading standards)
mdouthwaite
its not goodwill refunding money for a faulty product and have you given a refund to the other people who have complained to you yet not had any response ? goodwill would have been to refund me for my leaflet and van sign writing expenses that were wasted as the p3 produced terrible results ! ( have 17 testimonials to this as have trading standards)
mdouthwaite
sinky and crystal below seem to have had bad results from your training too?
mdouthwaite
and notjan above seems to be a pattern!
pearlywhites
HI, the non peroxide gels need to be used correctly. I did someones teeth yesterday and they went up 20 shades. If you would like information on how to use these products correctly please get in touch. Thanks Claire
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mdouthwaite
hi non peroxide is not worth the money it doesnt work and will lead to refunds galore
mdouthwaite
hi non peroxide is not worth the money it doesnt work and will lead to refunds galore
mdouthwaite
i have just had a full refund as my pearlywhites mobile training package was a big let down , poor training , various items and products that do not work and worse of all 17 customers no payments as the non peroxide did not prove to make a noticeable difference!!!
mdouthwaite
i have just had a full refund as my pearlywhites mobile training package was a big let down , poor training , various items and products that do not work and worse of all 17 customers no payments as the non peroxide did not prove to make a noticeable difference!!!
Sashaaaaa
Pearly whites are NOT WORTH YOUR TIME OR MONEY, terrible customer service tried to get a refund for training but can't get in touch with anyone! Not happy at all!
Sashaaaaa
Pearly whites are NOT WORTH YOUR TIME OR MONEY, terrible customer service tried to get a refund for training but can't get in touch with anyone! Not happy at all!
Sharlenedv
Mdouthwaite please contact me ASAP sharlenedv@hotmail.com. I need your help. Xx
Sharlenedv
Mdouthwaite please contact me ASAP sharlenedv@hotmail.com. I need your help. Xx
Lindsey123
I'm not sure which way to go. I have just bought a training package using a non peroxide gel and am not getting good results. Its seems to be cleaning the teeth and making them look a bit brighter but its not making them white.
Thank you for comments, much appreciated, thank you.
Thank you for comments, much appreciated, thank you.
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